Talk:Wikihood/eps/10

i have claimed this before the episode page has even been made

i'm a super cool dude Brerose 06:44, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Continue to be super cool, then. Noxigar 06:51, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

so

i'm new to this

how do these multiuser things usually work Brerose 07:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Ah, well, we basically have a basic plot established, and then we just... write towards the end, while also following the basic plot. No limit to how much we can individually write, but I wouldn't recommend writing the entire episode by yourself unless everyone else is totally onboard with what you're doing and approve. We all control each other's characters for the sake of faster progression, but you can also edit what somebody else has already written in regards to certain things such as characterization and plot and such. Lex 07:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Mm, that makes sense.

I just have no idea how Ventin and Sirrus should be introduced.

They could just. knock on the door, but that seems too responsible. Brerose 07:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

i don't know specifically, but i believe it should involve an impromptu performance of the song "heat of the moment" by someone Lex 07:34, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps they're /already/ inside? Maybe we can figure this out tomorrow after my brain. has been rested. Or someone else could do it on the spot, that works too Brerose 07:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

That would be an interesting concept. We could actually play it off as some kind of horror scene. Like... over a period of a few days, they keep hearing weird noises at night. In an attempt to get to the bottom of it, one of them investigates while everyone else is alseep, and find the two... doing something, and that they've been hiding from everyone else the whole time. Lex 07:40, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

a very intense game of russian roulette Brerose 07:44, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

this might just be the last episode due to the fact that i have no doubt that they'll end up murdering everyone in their sleep Lex 07:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay then, I do like this idea, Lex. The robots die first. I'm going to think it over tonight before bed, maybe think of what exactly they could be doing. Brerose 07:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

i read "candy striper" as "candy stripper" and for a moment i was wondering why the hell remolay was dressed so indecently Lex 08:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I originally wanted to write that he was dressed like a sexy candy striper but I decided against it so as to not give people the wrong ideas They call me Big T BLOOD 08:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I should totally get some sleep but

fuck the police Brerose 08:51, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

bravo you got them better than I could have

but I'm not going to pull a remolay don't worry <3

i'll stay and do character development and still write them a little and stuff Brerose 18:57, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the way I see Ventin is that she's like... someone who doesn't give a fuck, at all. If she wants to do it, she'll do it, consequences be damned. And I think having blatant recklessness like that could actually work out in terms of humor. Lex 19:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Mmhm, and if you try and tell her off? You'll regret it. Sirrus is one of the few people who can actually calm her down, but he's still pretty eccentric as well, just not as violent. Brerose 19:11, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I see, I see. What does she bring to the table in term of productivity though? Lex 19:14, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

To get money for the house? Well, they could probably pay a few month's rents with what they took from their father to start, and from there on, Sirrus is more equipped for a job, while Ventin..could probably scare someone out of their belongings, though I don't believe the Wikihood would agree.

Sirrus has many more life skills due to being groomed as a child to take his father's business, before throwing that away to live with Ventin and his mother. So, he could hold a job if required, as long as Ventin didn't screw it up. Brerose 19:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, I see. That's not too bad. As for Ventin's illegalities, the Wikihood is more likely to accept it and look away at the fact that it's illegal, provided the police don't get lured over. If the police come, then the criminal is completely screwed. Lex 19:20, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry that I'm not writing too much in my edits

I just don't believe I'm comfortable enough yet playing your characters? Maybe eventually this will change though Brerose 20:59, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh no, it's fine. You could possibly read through the series to get a better grasp of the characters? Lex 21:01, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

why dont they call the police -pmelondemon43y

because they don't like the police Brerose 20:31, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

woop woop das da sound of da police FloppyDongHersh

Any ideas on how Ventin will 'redeem' herself, so to speak?

So far, it doesn't look like she'd be staying in the house much longer, and if this is all she does I wouldn't blame them for kicking her to the curb.

Sirrus would probably be more likely to get a pass, but he's not going to leave Ventin.

I have no ideas however, you guys are the smart ones. :| Brerose 23:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Still working on the other subplot which Episode 10 was promised where I actually make sure to get more info on Rosenberg through and through whilst throwing wild wrenches, some possibly aimed at Ventin, later. Noxigar 23:31, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

can't wait until the next episode where the gang finally get kidnapped by rosenberg and they help him initiate "THE NEXT EPISODE" Lex 23:40, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

plot

let's establish one Lex 01:00, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Sirrus and Ventin consistently fuck up and the gang eventually shoehorns them into the role of taking care of Lex as he approaches recovery They call me Big T BLOOD 01:01, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

okay, that works Lex 01:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

meanwhile in Midway Noxigar chats up Steph who talks about how she thinks things may begin to change due to the shift in the powers that be - but that's for Noxigar to develop while we try and get these two situated They call me Big T BLOOD 01:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

STEPH STAYS SINGLE. B[ Lex 01:17, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

don't look at me it's not my b-plot They call me Big T BLOOD 01:18, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

i know, i know, just layin' down some base truths :) Lex 02:01, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

ventin takes over the world Brerose 01:00, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of the two of them, perhaps the blood magic stuff shouldn't happen until the next episode? Seeing as it seems a bit more action oriented, it's more likely for Ventin to whip it out (DON'T LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT) at that point in time. Brerose 01:07, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

GETTIN' TOO SHIPPY OVER HERE

IS GRANDMA YOUNG GONNA HAVE TO STEP IN UP ON THIS SHIT Lex 02:46, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

i actually wanted to introduce her family members in the future

the prospect of sweet ol' steph having a fucking crazy and insane grandmother like Ms. Chu from sleeping dogs is something too good not to pass up Lex 02:54, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Do note that I am having Noxigar deliberately cause this date some friction simply for the hell of it. ALSO, you just gave me the idea for a Spider8reath Tarantula Maverick for the Katawa Hearts which he will actually talk about to Steph. Thanks. 8) Noxigar 03:01, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

i don't even know the context of steph's grandmother being in the series but i really want her to be in it as a reoccuring character to shake things up Lex 03:04, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I just made it so unshippy that you are probably laughing. Noxigar 03:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

oh my god

you should get her drunk and make her so unpleasant that noxigar is actually quite disturbed by her himself Lex 03:17, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

That is the best idea. I just don't know how to make her that unpleasant to him. Noxigar 03:19, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

She takes after her grandmother. Have her start becoming more profane in language, and more... violently minded in what she's saying. Make it extra graphic to the point where Noxigar winces, and have her play it all off as a joke. Lex 03:21, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and considering how it's her first language, gratuitous amounts of Cantonese would work too. Lex 03:24, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Turns out ms young is actually related to seo-young of the "my daughter seo-young" fame http://wiki.d-addicts.com/My_Daughter_Seo_Young -pmelondemon43y

she's chinese not korean you privileged fuck Lex 03:25, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Dude they're still relatives -pmelondemon43y

Hey Lex should I go get the Space Mexican tequila so you don't strangle Melon? Noxigar 03:28, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

i will make him check his privilege Lex 03:28, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Anyway I am actually planning to make a vacation hotspot called Zharanakuva. Noxigar 05:06, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

{Immediately after Noxigar finishes pouring the mixture into her mouth, Stephanie wakes back up, albeit pissed off.}

WHAT IS THIS FloppyDongHersh

I've no clue. Probably just a clunky sentence in dire need of a rewording. Noxigar 16:18, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeaaaah, it was pretty clunky 8( Lex 18:04, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I fixed the route you were going so I go for more Star Road shenanigans. Noxigar 18:28, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

i hope that 3d map is like an actual holographic 3d map because that would be cool Lex 18:38, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

It is. Noxigar 18:43, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Sweet, modern sci-fi knows no bounds. B] Lex 19:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I am very skeptical of most things related to sci-fi due to the existence of things like Firefly, Sharknado, and Ender's Game. However, Blade Runner is part of the 10% of sci fi that I can enjoy. Noxigar 01:19, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

i'm not the biggest fan of firefly but why don't you like it -pmelondemon43y

For the most part it's because of lackluster characterization across the board. The writing for it outside of characterization doesn't do enough to compensate. Noxigar 01:26, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

secretly noxi just hates anything made by joss whedon Brerose 01:33, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

That's not a secret. I could go on a multi-faceted rant but I'm not sure if my Let's Play of Katawa Bell Quest Team Racing X6 will require context about my disdain for an author whose writing is viciously undisciplined and whose taste in actors is questionable (outside of Neil Patrick Harris for that one movie). Noxigar 01:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

are you saying

nathan fillion is a bad actor

because I will fuck you up Brerose 01:39, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

No but Joss is almost directly responsible for Felicia Day's acting career p. much. There's also a few other actors who are pretty wooden here and there. Noxigar 01:41, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

LEAVE MY FELICIA ALONE YOU PIG Brerose 01:42, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

{oink oink} Noxigar 01:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

(Also I'm a huge 8itch 8luh 8luh) Noxigar 01:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

{sexes the colons} you know, i think nathan fillion and neil patrick harris are p-cool guys

although with felicia day i do like her in a lot of things, but... oh hell, i think she's pretty awesome too

i'm not acquainted with most joss whedon things tho Lex 01:58, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I find a lot of his stuff excessively overhyped by not only my own parents, but a handful of Tumblr and then some peeps on MSPAForums.

To change the subject before I get a migraine from the derailed convo I wonder if Noxigar calling the cat "Shotgun Ice" will be a thing or if I should make the cat talk to him in English and tell him its name so Noxi can stop misusing it. I could also call it Spinning Blade or Bubble Splash, 'cause those'd be okay.Noxigar 02:01, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I actually did consider having the cat speak English, due to one of Rosenberg's wacky inventions, but I ultimately decided against it because I want to keep Steph as grounded as possible in terms of absurdity, and everything around her should also be grounded. Including the cute cat. Nah, it's just an ordinary cat. Lex 02:03, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

sooo...

noxi, is there anything else you have in mind for noxigar's arc in this episode? Lex 02:57, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Not really. The episode's not even close to over, but I'd rather get some more character depth for Stephanie so unless you want Noxigar to develop an asthma attack in her house I don't have much in the way of anything comedic. There's really just Noxigar looking at the map and memorizing Midway's layout like his life depended on it. {winks} Noxigar 02:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Ahh. Because at the end of the episode, I want the surprise kidnap ambush to totally happen, by way of Rosenberg's... robots. I was just thinking, like this whole incident with Stephanie could be a ruse to lure Noxigar in first, then the others follow. IDK, what do you think. Lex 03:13, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

If Ventin is sleeping, would they even know she was there?

Sirrus is more modeled after me a bit so he's an insomniac, spends late nights reading and surfing ebay, so he's more likely to get found by robots than Ventin. Brerose 03:15, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not bashing you or anything but

Sirrus is unlikely to use larger English words. Whenever he and Ventin are alone they speak solely in Romanian, and Ventin only has a stronger grasp of English due to the amount of American movies she watched while Sirrus was at school, as she usually ditched unless Sirrus could convince her otherwise. Brerose 03:11, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Ah. Okay. I shall prepare Noxigar's emotional reactions to Ventin's shenanigans later. Noxigar 03:19, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Ahh. Because at the end of the episode, I want the surprise kidnap ambush to totally happen, by way of Rosenberg's... robots. I was just thinking, like this whole incident with Stephanie could be a ruse to lure Noxigar in first, then the others follow. IDK, what do you think. Lex 03:13, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

That is sufficient. I am exceptionally busy with gushing over Homestuck updates for once, and probably will let the wild wrenches stay unthrown for a bit whilst I let you and Chaos handle your mirthful plans whilst I distract myself so my wild wrenches don't harm anything. Noxigar 03:18, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Ah, alright. Because the thing is, I don't think Steph would actively hinder Rosenberg's plans at all, especially considering how his main plan is regarding the wellbeing of Midway City itself, after all. She's aware of the importance of that, and wouldn't dream of hindering it because she agrees. Lex 03:23, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I guess I can continue to be a Spanner in the Works since my wild wrenches are actually doing the correct thing in advancing the plot along. Noxigar 03:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Eh, no matter what happens, Rosenberg will get his slice of... cake. It's just that depending on how much he's hindered, the more aggressively he'll get what he wants. Lex 03:39, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Well I don't think being kidnapped would go too well with Ventin, maybe the death of a few of his employees, robot decimation, you know, the works. Brerose 03:48, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, he has his ways. Lex 03:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Maybe a time skip is in place, wikihood-side? I have an idea on how to propel the story but it requires me to ix-nay one of my old plans, and also requires a time skip. Brerose 04:10, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Man, let it out, you might be the one that can help meee Lex 04:19, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Here's to hoping an introduction of Noelle actually helps. Noxigar 04:22, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Damn your wild wrenches, Noxi, ruining my plans! Brerose 04:26, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

{Death to all colons} My wild wrenches are supposed to accelerate plans or otherwise help further them along. What plan did I ruin so I can fix the problem? Noxigar 04:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I have no clue how I can time skip now without it being completely awkward, seeing as Noelle just arrived. If I just time-skip, then it leaves the Noelle thing slightly unresolved and no one likes that. Brerose 04:31, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

How much time are you trying to skip towards? Noxigar 04:32, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Three new housemates in one episode seems like a bit of overload, personally. They call me Big T BLOOD 04:35, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeaaaah, that's what I was thinking too :/ Lex 04:39, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

However, the idea of her being an old friend to the gang intrigues me considering the actual events of their past are unexplored so she can shed some light They call me Big T BLOOD 04:41, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Maybe save Noelle for after THE NEXT EPISODE? Brerose 04:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

That is fine. Noxigar 05:05, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Lex, we're getting to the limit, should we wrap it up? Brerose 05:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

That's not a limit. Keep going until the narrative has filled its course. As long as nobody tries to make eating pizza seductive ever I will be okay. Noxigar 05:35, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

it's a shame you'll never see me eat it IRl then They call me Big T BLOOD 05:46, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

personally i don't know what i think about this episode lol Lex 05:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

 :o) Noxigar 05:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

it needs a complete facelift They call me Big T BLOOD 06:33, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

yeah i agree

on both counts of the smiley and the episode itself

it just.. doesn't sit right with me at all. i did try and progress the plot in regards to the rosenberg encounter of episode 11, but there's still the trouble of ventin and sirrus having absolutely no plot whatsoever to deal with Lex 06:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

We need to establish why they as characters want to stay, as well as motivate the gang to understand it through the action in the episode They call me Big T BLOOD 06:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

feel free to ixnay that edit I'm half asleep GOOD NIGHT MURICA ~~`~

So, idea: We don't learn what is in Ventin's bedroom until they return from THE NEXT EPISODE? Cliffhangers are fun! Brerose 06:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

No, how about they actually fight some pick-up droids and actually make use of their hemomancy? They might as well save themselves... Noxigar 17:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I feel like that would be more of a crutch than anything else, which is why I suggested that they try and show some sort of more believable human emotions through a situation that would merit them staying with the gang long term as opposed to them lazing about They call me Big T BLOOD 01:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

they have money

is that not enough

Seriously though, I think Sirrus is the one more likely to convince them. He's more..uh..human-ish in his emotions.

I must admit I just recently came back to writing, so, if anything I write seems iffy, feel free to change it (which you're already allowed to do but FUCK THE POLICE). Brerose 02:20, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

hate to point this out too, but

episode 9:

STEPHANIE: Also, Noxigar planned to fill his end of the bargain with that ice cream social. Today he sent me a letter under the alias "Lexon Darkheart" and proceeded to ramble on about how he got the money and he plans to pay it to me upfront on behalf of Chaos, Lex, and the rest of the gang.

episode 10:

STEPHANIE: Wait... you're Lexon Darkheart?

again, i'm not sure if this was intentional or not, but in episode 9, she's fully aware of noxigar's alias as lexon darkheart, but in episode 10, she seems to have completely forgotten that, despite the amount of time passing in between the two episodes being quite short

sorry :( Lex 01:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

It's okay, and while I had done that on purpose it is easy to fix in a few lines of dialogue. Noxigar 01:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Ahhh, alright. Lex 01:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah my decision to riff The World's Greatest as opposed to maybe helping Episode 10 end is probably not that great an idea. Noxigar 01:05, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Nah, it's alright. I'll figure out a way of ending episode 10, it's just that I think that the whole Sirrus and Ventin plot to be overall lacklustre. I mean, I could end it right now how I would want it to, but again, I don't want the actual Sirrus and Ventin plot to just.. fall flat either. Lex 01:10, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Or, we could make it work? They're acting slightly mysterious (while also being very vocal about it), and that's slightly how they are, atleast, Sirrus is kind of secretive. So, maybe, someone is about to find out what happened in their room when suddenly: ROBOT ATTACK. Just a tiny ramble-idea though. Brerose 02:12, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

The way we're going, this is the most likely. Lex 02:16, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Post-Production setup

This is what typical revisions after the episode ends look like for me. For Episode 10, it's particularly intensive, but the others all generally follow it, just need some rearranging. This formula will be broken down and applied to the Back Room so that people who have episode ideas can use this to better develop them, as well as giving us a format to understand it all.

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A PLOT: Sirrus and Ventin have landed in Townindale and are looking for a home, but as far as they go they're rather offputting. In order to better guage their qualities, they put them on a trial run. After the trial run ends in a failure, they're given one last chance in the form of ailing a still-damaged Lex back to health.

B PLOT: Noxigar heads into Midway, alone, to discuss business with Stephanie regarding the company and the Wikihood as it stands. While it seems rather innocent, it is eventually revealed to be a sham set up by Rosenberg himself, who has begun to mobilize.

• Exposition: Lex is still injured and is being nursed back to health. The gang has been tending to them himselves. Chaos was going to stick Noxigar with the sole task, but Noxigar had to skip town to discuss business affairs with Stephanie.
• Rising Action: Sirrus and Ventin are beyond creepy. The gang gives them a room at the end of the hall, but the two seem to be incredibly offputting and menacing. The gang feels genuinely uncomfortable with them around. Noxigar has called Steph and suggested that he cash in on his Ice Cream Social offer, so the two go to get food. Steph only expects Ice cream, but Noxigar is prepared to sit down to a whole, if not several, meals.
• Climax: At their breaking point, the rest of the household decide that if the twins can't manage being at least relatively normal then they'll just be thrown out, and give them the task of taking care of Lex to prove themselves. Stephanie, in the midst of the meal and the discussions, has decided to order some drinks, a curve ball aimed at Noxigar this time. She gets really drunk. REALLY drunk.
• Falling Action: Sirrus and Ventin misinterperet the definiton of the phrase "take care of" and they attempt to kill Lex. The two fail multiple times(no more than 3) before Sirrus suggests that it might not be the case. Noxigar has to put up with the enibreated Stephanie and tries to keep her somewhat safe in Midway on the town late at night.
• Resolution: Sirrus and Ventin try doing things the right way and Lex is cured rather quickly. The gang rejoices. Noxigar awakes the next morning after bringing Steph back to her apartment, but realizes that he's fallen for a ploy set up by Rosenberg and is captured. The rest of the gang is captured as well back home, and while they put up a minimal fight, they're apprehended rather quickly.

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I'm still rewriting this, but this is what I do to reapproach episodes that need it. Make sense to everybody? They call me Big T BLOOD 02:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, seems good!

The 'take care of' part made me laugh, I think with their knowledge of English mostly being from movies that's not hard to imagine. Brerose 02:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Man, that's great! I love it. Lex 02:54, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I love it. Noxigar 02:55, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

changes so far

• The twins are more passive, but still as aggressive.
• I cut out a noxigar scene. I think his being gassed can occur offscreen if written properly.
• I rewrote the ending, obviously. It was the only way to fit in the revisions properly while connecting the story along.

I'll hopefully have it up this afternoon. They call me Big T BLOOD 11:49, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Good thinking. Noxigar 16:23, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

"{Thunderbird does the cat equivalent of laughing. Noxigar takes a spoonful of his English breakfast and feeds it to the cat, who eagerly licks the spoon.}"

Thunderbird does the cat equivalent of laughing.

Thunderbird does the cat equivalent of laughing.

Thunderbird does the cat equivalent of laughing.

Thunderbird does the cat equivalent of laughing.

THIS LINE DISPLEASES ME. Lex 00:11, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

you displease me They call me Big T BLOOD 00:12, 19 September 2013 (UTC)